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区块链教父Alexander Shulgin谈“为什么他看好区块链，游戏化和Gaimin.io”

区块链教父Alexander Shulgin谈“为什么他看好区块链，游戏化和Gaimin.io”



Blockcast.cc：Hi Alexander，你好， 我是Blockcast.cc的联合创始人Jenny Zheng。首先，非常感谢你接受接受我们的采访。

Alexander Shulgin是一位非常有远见的投资人，在风险投资领域拥有傲人的战绩。为了更好地进行此次访谈，我们也同时邀请了Blockcast的老朋友 –未来主义者，《 2030年区块链革命》（Blockchain Revolution 2030）的作者Anndy Lian来一起畅谈行业前景。

AS：Blockcast.cc的各位读者大家好，Jenny 你好，也感谢你的采访。

Anndy Lian： Hi Alexander, Hi Jenny, Blockcast.cc的读者朋友们大家好!

Alexander是一个有非常远见的人，而且有超过15年的投资和风险投资经验，有人称他为“成功地将创意作品与商业结合起来的独特的俄罗斯作曲家”。他目前管理GRUPPA KOMPANIY FAMILIA公司专门从事区块链，媒体，出版和娱乐领域的投资和风险投资。同时他也是全球知名咨询公司5大陆咨询集团(The 5 Continent Consulting Group ) 的创始人，该集团专门从事IT，生物技术，数字医疗保健和财务管理领域的研究。此外，他还建立了Rasia Capital –一个专注于亚洲的投资机构，他还投资了一些区块链基础设施，以及电子竞技和混合现实项目。

Alexander，不知道我刚刚的总结是否到位？

AS：哈哈，这是一个很好的总结，Anndy。其实除了你刚刚提到的，我一直也在积极参与到更多的新的投资活动中去。我个人也对区块链和区块链基础设施进行了投资，因为我看到了这项技术的潜力与未来。

Anndy：我同意你的观点，区块链技术是非常有前景的，这也是为什么我一直致力于将此技术向政府组织和社会进行推广的原因。就目前来看，还算是有趣有挑战也有成果。

我和Alexander是通过Gaimin.io这个项目认识的，这里补充一下: Gaimin是一家专注于区块链和游戏产业的平台。那么当你初次听到他们的理念时是什么看法呢？你怎么看游戏和区块链的结合？

AS：我认为游戏和区块链技术是完美契合。因为我出身娱乐领域，对此有比较多的关注，我发现近年来游戏在娱乐领域的增长是最大的，我相信游戏将成为娱乐领域的主要市场之一。

而游戏和区块链技术则是两个高度互补的行业，并且未来它们之间将有可能是相互依存的。当我遇到Gaimin时，我在这个项目上看到了这两个领域的完美协同作用，这也是为什么我同意担任Gaimin顾问的主要原因。

Anndy：我听说Gaimin团队是在前年5月在香港时与你第一次见面，你当时对这些人的第一印象是怎样？

AS：时间真是过得很快，感觉好像是前几天的事，没想到已经都18个月了哈哈。第一次与他们会面的时候，我看到他们的充满热情的闪闪发光的眼睛，他们对Gaimin的理念非常有信心，仅这一点就非常打动我。因为我过去投资的经验告诉我，对于一个项目来说，人(或者说团队)是最重要的。

Anndy：在考察Gaimin项目以及它的后续发展情况之后，是什么让你选择继续与他们合作？

AS：这是一个很好的问题。当我开始接触他们的时候，正是区块链的繁荣期，或者说泡沫期吧，整个市场情绪高涨，项目井喷。然而就在不久之后泡沫就开始破裂，市场出现拐点，许多项目开始资金断裂，市场情绪开始进入绝望，沮丧，失落。

尽管外部环境如此，Gaimin团队却像英国足球一样，坚韧顽强，开始更积极拓展，变得更加努力。看着他们穿越这个行业冬天，向前迈进，我更欣赏他们这种勇往直前的精神。我觉得创业者的年龄并不重要，他们是15岁，25岁还是50岁，更重要的是他们必须有打败一切坚持到底的勇气。

Anndy：也就是说你认为态度和热情是最重要的，那么你如何看待这对项目的影响？

AS：我认为在游戏世界，态度决定一切。无论是在专业游戏竞技还是业余游戏，成功者都是那些对游戏充满热情的人，而这些人也反过来促进了游戏行业的发展。我相信在不久的将来，每个人都将以某种方式参与到游戏和游戏化中来，玩家玩游戏并成为去中心化游戏网络的一部分。

区块链是什么？对我而言，就是由参与其中的每个人所构建的网络结构，它是由我们所有人共同构建的。区块链所需要的的基础设施比谷歌和亚马逊大很多倍，因此该基础设施不应该是由政府或者是由大型跨国公司建立的，而是由像Gaimin这样的项目和你我这样的人为基础建立的。作为对新鲜事物接受度最高和最活跃的网络人群，游戏玩家当然将成为其中的最重要的组成部分。

Anndy：您在最近的一次采访中提到“分散的数据流将成为把生活方式和工业推向新高度的下一个动力。”这意味着什么呢？

AS：这意味着对处理能力的需求将会是巨大的，而世界上还只有很少人了解对未来我们对计算能力和电力的需求。刚刚你提到的引用应该是我在沙特阿拉伯利雅得举行的投资论坛上进行的主题演讲里说的。同场会议上，三星董事长也就此观点发表了差不多的看法，他还在现场对未来15年的计算机处理能力需求增长进行了幻灯片演示，数据非常令人。

几个月前，我与欧洲电信执行委员会成员Claudia Nemat进行了交谈。我们谈到了欧盟必须了解未来自身对计算能力的需求量以及整个数字市场对计算能力的需求量。这将是一个巨大的（需求）水平，或许比现在高100倍。我问她欧盟将在哪里找到这些增量，她没有回答……可能她也很困惑，因为这对欧盟来说会是个难题。因为对能源，尤其是对绿色能源的巨大需求，需要一种全新的解决方案。像Gaimin这样的平台就可以通过个人计算机剩余算力共享的方式为社会需求提供一些增量。当然，这不是一个完整的解决方案，所以我们需要更多这样的平台/个人参与进来。

Anndy：那么这将如何影响全球政策监管和合规性要求呢？数据安全性又将如何保证呢？在全球范围内监管将是相同的，还是在某些辖区更宽松一些呢？

AS：数据安全性是人们谈论的话题，但如果大家可以停下“谈论”，然后更专业地去研究区块链，他们将看到相比传统互联网，区块链的基础设施具有不可篡改的特性，因此所有数据都会是更安全的，并且用户将可以自己设定数据设置。

而且未来人们对于数据隐私的态度可能也会发生很大变化。加拿大著名哲学家Marshall McLuhan就曾说过 “有了全球互联网，我们就像一个地球村。” 意思就是，就像古老的村庄里，我们都是一个大家庭的一分子，没有什么可隐瞒的，也无法隐藏。数字时代的年轻一代，以及之后的一代，他们可能将只有极少数据是私有的。为了更高的效率更好的效果，数据将会是自由开放的，社会也是自由开放的。

就拿我来说，我对自己的数据隐私并不那么担心，我没有什么可隐瞒的，没有什么可保密的。好吧，也许我钱包的密码例外，但是我其他大部分个人数据其实不需要那么高的保密度。

Anndy：因为未来的人们他们知道，他们所有的信息都在链上，是更安全的，所以没有必要担心是吗？

AS：是的，这会是一个健康的社会，开放的社会，高能高效的社会。区块链的信任机制和技术将有助于更轻松地达成这种稳定。这种去中心化的机制也将更好地在使用数据的同时保护这些数据的隐私，人们的生活将更轻松美好。

Anndy：好的，现在让我们来关注一下能源问题，当前全球对清洁，绿色能源的需求越来越高，这将对区块链行业产生什么影响？区块链行业将如何解决它的耗能问题？

AS：这是一个非常好的问题。区块链挖矿能耗问题一直以来都存在。特别是随着比特币的价格上涨，更多的矿工加入了进来，这带来了很多的环境问题。例如一些中国，蒙古或者哈萨克斯坦的矿工，他们使用煤炭能源，特别是劣质煤，这些煤在燃烧时会造成很多污染。

但是我想说的是，这些问题都将随着技术的发展被慢慢解决。我们可以看下Google或Apple，然后看看他们如何解决这个问题。苹果仅仅几个月前就完全转向了绿色能源，Google也在尝试做到100％绿色。许多技术公司都在引入越来越多的绿色能源，实际上我投资的采矿公司已经在使用水合能源了。据我所知，其他的很多区块链技术公司也正在向可再生能源发展。区块链挖矿的能耗和环境的问题将会随着整个社会的技术发展而慢慢得到改善。不久的未来，我们将实现更充分更绿色的能源使用，没有任何能源会被浪费，甚至所有产生的热量或能量都将被再利用。

Anndy：游戏和游戏行业与其早期的形态相比，已经发生了很大的变化，未来你预见还会发生什么变化？

AS：是的，游戏行业确实是一个一直在不断进化的行业。今天我想重点谈谈游戏化(Gamification)这块，游戏化其实无处不在。新约圣经里，耶稣告诉我们，我们必须“变得像孩子一样”，即成为孩子。小时候玩游戏真是太好了，是一种生命赐予的完美的礼物，我珍视这种生命的礼物。游戏就是儿童了解世界的方式，他们通过游戏进行学习，同时学习也是游戏的一部分。

我们要像孩子一样玩游戏，并通过这种方式将日常繁琐的工作和程序趣味化，游戏化，想象力是游戏化的一部分。游戏化非常重要，特别是在我们的教育，健康和娱乐领域。

Blockcast.cc: 我之前听Martin (Gaimin的CEO) 讲过这么一个案例，我想可以帮助大家去理解游戏化。之前有个城市的地铁就采用了钢琴键盘楼梯的方式，改变了乘客们的运动方式。在装这个钢琴楼梯之前，几乎所有的人都选择乘电梯，而之后则变成了大部分人选择走楼梯。游戏化就是这么轻易地改变了人们的行为方式，而且还使人们可以轻松接受甚至享受其中。

Anndy：这确实太神奇了。世界变成了一个地球村，并以游戏化的方式升级我们的生活方式。

AS：是的。在这个新的时代数据就是新的石油，而游戏化活动将是生产这些新石油的最佳时机。而这些数据将使智慧城市，智慧技术，去中心化能源…..所有事物更加智能。因为娱乐和游戏会让人产生情感，而感情数据是所有数据中最丰富，最有价值的数。因为我们不需要非情感数据，比如我们不需要无人机的数据，我们已经知道它们会从A到B，从B到C的无人机，因为它是预先编程的，这样的数据没有价值。而当你在进行游戏化的活动时，会产生很多情绪数据，这些都是最有价值的数据。

Anndy：游戏化真的是非常有趣且令人着迷，希望未来我们可以就这个话题聊的更多。最后我想问几个个人问题，作为比特币协会的创始合伙人，你能给我们讲解一下比特币协会目前的情况吗？

AS：比特币协会旨在为区块链企业提供他们所需的解决方案，我很高兴成为比特币协会的一员，我主要负责协会中娱乐，媒体和体育这几个领域。

Anndy：您目前都主要专注于哪些业务和领域的投资？

AS：我会选: HappyTech, HappyTech，HappyTech，HappyTech。简单解释下，就是任何能使人高兴的技术。

Anndy：这是个挺有趣的名词，我还是第一次听这个概念。

AS： 2年前，我在香港发表了关于HappyTech的TED演讲。这是我第一次在媒体采访中提到这个理念，Blockcast 应该会是第一个发布该领域新闻的媒体。

Anndy：投资Happy Tech是出于对它的热爱还是为了钱？

AS：我一直坚信幸福是生活中最重要的事情。每个父母都希望他们的孩子什么？不是当经济学家，不说当银行家，而是希望他们过的幸福。我投资的愿景是希望能让我们的后代生活幸福直到生命的尽头，这就是我现在想要做的。

Blockcast.cc：那我最后也问一个问题，Alexander你平时有空闲时间吗？如果有，您有没有最喜欢的消遣或爱好？

AS：Jenny，我很高兴我一生都在做我喜欢的工作，我的工作就是我的爱好。可以说我全天候24/7工作，也可以说我全天候24/7生活。我很幸运，我一生都从来没有“我必须要做”或“我必须要做”，对此我感到非常幸运。

Blockcast.cc：非常感谢你接受我们的采访，最后，您还有什么要和我们的读者朋友们分享的吗？

AS：我想分享一句我很喜欢的谚语：

“当诺亚建造方舟时是没有下雨的。” 它激励着我，激励着我去思考，我们要顺应大势，在没有雨的时候去建造我们的方舟，当然也要时刻提前为下雨的状况做好准备，要看清当下，清楚接下来会发生什么。你需要看到自己的未来的一步，十步，甚至一百步。

Blockcast.cc：Alexander, 非常感谢你的时间！感谢你为我们带来的分享和启发，希望能够在不久的将来再次与你相聚！也感谢Anndy的协助!

(以下采访以英文进行，中文后期翻译) 

 

原始资料: https://blockcast.cc/interviews/区块链教父alexander-shulgin谈为什么他看好区块链，游戏化/

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Anndy Lian is an early blockchain adopter and experienced serial entrepreneur who is known for his work in the government sector. He is a best selling book author- “NFT: From Zero to Hero” and “Blockchain Revolution 2030”.

Currently, he is appointed as the Chief Digital Advisor at Mongolia Productivity Organization, championing national digitization. Prior to his current appointments, he was the Chairman of BigONE Exchange, a global top 30 ranked crypto spot exchange and was also the Advisory Board Member for Hyundai DAC, the blockchain arm of South Korea’s largest car manufacturer Hyundai Motor Group. Lian played a pivotal role as the Blockchain Advisor for Asian Productivity Organisation (APO), an intergovernmental organization committed to improving productivity in the Asia-Pacific region.

An avid supporter of incubating start-ups, Anndy has also been a private investor for the past eight years. With a growth investment mindset, Anndy strategically demonstrates this in the companies he chooses to be involved with. He believes that what he is doing through blockchain technology currently will revolutionise and redefine traditional businesses. He also believes that the blockchain industry has to be “redecentralised”.

www.anndy.com
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The Godfather of Blockchain Alexander Shulgin on ‘Why he is Bullish on Blockchain, Gamification & Gaimin.io’

The Godfather of Blockchain Alexander Shulgin on ‘Why he is Bullish on Blockchain, Gamification & Gaimin.io’


Blockcast.cc: My name is Jenny Zheng, co-founder of Blockcast.cc. This week, we have the honour to invite Alexander Shulgin for our interview. He is a true visionary and have a good track record in venture capital. In order to facilitate this interview better, we have invited Anndy Lian, a futurist and book author of Blockchain Revolution 2030 to be here.

Anndy: Hi Alexander, let me say that it is a privilege for me to talk with you.

AS: It is a privilege for me also.

Anndy Lian: Thank you. Well, to begin with, many people say you are a visionary, and it is often stated that you have more than 15 years of investment and venture capital experience.

You are also often referred to as “a unique Russian composer who successfully combines creative work with business”. I believe that you currently manage GRUPPA KOMPANIY FAMILIA, which specializes in investment and venture capital in blockchain, media, publishing, and entertainment sectors. You are a founder of a worldwide consulting group, The 5 Continent Consulting Group specializing in the IT-sector, biotechnologies, digital healthcare and financial management and amongst other ventures you also founded Rasia Capital – an investment boutique focusing on Asia. I hear that you also personally invest in Blockchain infrastructure, esports and Mixed Reality.

Would you say that is a good summary of what keeps you busy at the moment?

AS: It is a very good summary Anndy, but it is not really enough, I have a lot of other activities that keep me busy. I still have more funds and of course you are right that I personally invest a lot in blockchain, in blockchain infrastructure, because I see this technology and it has a very strong and optimistic future.

Anndy: I agree with you that blockchain technology has a very bright future. That is the reason why I started advising governments on this technology. It has been fun and fruitful for me. Well since we are connected through the company Gaimin.io and Gaimin are focused on the Blockchain and the gaming industry, they must have sounded like a good fit when you first met them?

AS: Yes, very good. A perfect fit. My background is entertainment, and gaming has the largest growth in this sector. Gaming will be one of the main markets in the entertainment sector. They are like a bird’s wings, each complementing the other: Entertainment and the Blockchain. There is interdependence between them. When I met Gaimin, I thought that what we are doing is perfect synergy. And that is the reason why I have agreed to be Gaimin’s advisor.

Anndy: I did hear that the Gaimin team met you for the first time by flying out to Hong Kong in May last year and that your meeting continued on to the famous Employees Only club. What was your first impression of the guys?

AS: Time flies! It seems like I met the team not so long time ago but it is almost 18 months ago. It was a big pleasure to meet the guys, to see their young sparkling eyes, very passionate and passionate over the ideas. I felt like I had a rock and roll time.

Anndy: And so, you’ve known them for well over a year now. You’ve been watching them obviously and how they have developed, what has made you continue working with them compared to many projects that have, I am sure, been introduced to you?

AS: It’s a very good question, because when we met it was a very good time for decentralized based projects and then after the May saw a kind of crypto-winter and many of the projects, many of the teams were very disappointed, they were in despair, depressed and they were lost. Whereas this team were like a British soccer club start going faster, start going harder, they are moving through this crypto-winter, going through this, moving forward and they are brave, they are brave to go ahead, I like it, I like it. It doesn’t matter the age of the founders, 15 years old or 50 years old or 25. They must have the courage to see things through: a good finish is based on a good start. I feel that they have the ‘cojones’ for the fight.

Anndy: So how do you see this attitude will have an impact on the gaming world?

AS: It’s good because the gaming world, the gaming community is huge. Both professional gaming, and amateur gaming, the people who just have a passion for gaming, the gaming industry is growing. In the near future, I believe that everyone will somehow be involved in gaming and gamification of everything, so you can play a game and become part of the decentralized net and your computer and your gadget will become a part of this mesh, of this network. What is blockchain for me? For me it is the one and only infrastructure in the world that was built by us, by you by me by Gaimin, by everyone who is somehow involved, it’s built by us all. The infrastructure of blockchain is many times larger than Google, than Amazon, so this infrastructure is not built by governments, not by big transnational companies, it is built by us, simple humans and to be a part of the infrastructure built by humans and to be a part of this, gamers will be a big part of this of course.

Anndy: You are quoted in a recent interview as saying “Decentralized flow of data will be the next fuel to push lifestyle and industry to the next level.” What does that mean for the demands on processing power?

AS: The demand on processing power will be huge. I was just a keynote speaker in Riyadh, in Saudi at an investment forum with key global speakers, and the chairman of Samsung gave a slide presentation on how big the need for computing power would be over the next 15 years, it will be dramatic, simply dramatic. Few people in the world understand the future demand for computing power and electricity. A few months ago, I was speaking with Claudia Nemat, a member of the Deutsche Telekom Executive Board in Europe. We spoke about the European Union and our discussion centred around the fact that they have to understand how much requirement there will be for computing power and the demand there will be throughout Europe from the digital market. It’s a huge (level of) demand, let’s say 100 times more than now. I asked her where the EU will find the energy for this and she didn’t answer …… probably she was confused because it is a difficult question for the European Union. Because the demand for energy is huge, especially for green energy and there needs to be a solution. One of the solutions which Gaimin can offer to society is using passive gaming machines. Of course it’s not a total solution. Maybe it’s not enough for the whole industry but every single 1,000 of 1% will still matter. Every single penny is a part of the pound.

Anndy: How will the security of this data impact the requirements of companies in compliance and regulatory and will that be the same all over the world or be easier in some jurisdictions?

AS: Security of data is a big thing that is hype that people talk about but if people stop with ‘the talk’ and look at the blockchain more professionally they will see the millions of gadgets, the internet of things, it is unhackable, the blockchain infrastructure is unhackable, so all the data will be safe. You can also set your data settings. For me, I’m fine with my data, I have nothing to hide, I have nothing to keep a secret, ok maybe the passwords to my wallet as yet, but all my personal data, I’m fine with it. I’m open. Marshall McLuhan, a well-known Canadian philosopher said that with the global internet, we are like one global village. So it’s like ancient time in the village where we are all part of one big family, nothing to hide, no need to keep a secret. The big noise about data, well let’s look to the young generation who are the digital generation and even more so the generation after that, They can’t understand what data is private. They are open, they don’t have anything to hide. This is the open society.

Anndy: Because they know, the young people know that all the information is out there, so there is no need to hide it?

AS: Yes, and this is a healthy society. An open society, nothing to hide, a trusting society and technology with the blockchain helps make this more stable, this mood of the new generation. This decentralized generation where it will be possible to keep all this data private as much as anyone reasonable wants.

Anndy: Focusing back on energy, how does the need for clean, green energy impact on the all-embracing blockchain technology and can blockchain be de-leveraged from ecological issues?

AS: Of course. Of course! Blockchain will help a lot. Currently, there is some “noise” where a few people blame the blockchain miners. Yes, for example there are still some Chinese miners, or miners from Mongolia, even for example Kazakhstan using energy from coal, especially poor quality coal which makes a lot of pollution while burning. However, search out Google or Apple and look at how they are addressing this. Apple only a couple of months ago turned completely to green energy. Before it was using many different sources of energy. Google as I read try to be 100% green. Many technology companies do not use green energy but with the blockchain we are introducing more and more green energy, in fact all my companies, especially those that are mining are using hydra energy and the blockchain technology companies are moving towards renewable energy so that no extra energy is used and no energy is wasted and even all the heat generated or energy created is reused.

Anndy: Gaming and games has been a world very separated from the mainstream for the most part, to date, what changes can you foresee in your crystal ball?

AS: Ah yes, you are talking about gamification, correct? Yes, gamification will be everywhere. If you turn to the New Testament, Jesus told us that we have to “become like a child” ie be the child, to be like a child, what is the child, look for the child. Until they are 7 years old, they just play the game. It is so beautiful to be a child, to play the game. This perfect gift which is your life. My life is a gift, of course and I understand this and I value this gift of life. To be like a child to play the game. With the gamification of everything. To make education like a game because that is how children learn, they learn through games. Learning from stories and tales since tales are part of the game. Using your imagination is a game. To begin to imagine begins the game. In the first 6 days, when the creator created our universe, it was all part of the game. To be a creator, you have to have and use imagination and imagination is a part of gamification. Gamification is very important. We need to focus on education, health and entertainment especially with this next industrial revolution occurring. This next stage of evolution will give to us a more free life. We don’t need to survive to work 24/7, like they did 100 years ago, 200 years ago. 300 years ago people worked 7 days a week from sunrise to sunset, they had to work to survive. They had to find food, to source heat to survive and the last industrial revolution gave the people 5 working days in a week and 8 hours per day. This latest industrial revolution will introduce to 80% of the population, the concept that they don’t have to work, they can have a universal income, or any other passive income. Perhaps they play a game and by playing a game they produce data, providing them with bonuses, providing them with perhaps assets that they can exchange for other assets which they don’t need money. This typology will allow us to return to the barter style of life like an old, ancient village, which is perfect. You don’t need a 3rd party like money.

Anndy: It’s amazing what you are saying. The world becomes a global village and returns to bartering in a way made possible through gamification.

AS: Yes, people will be playing the game because playing the game will be the perfect time to produce the new oil, which will be data. The data, 85% of all global data which will enable smart cities, smart technology, decentralized energy, everything ….. 85% or more will come from entertainment. Because entertainment and games produce emotion. Emotion, this is the richest of all data, the most valuable data because all other data is unemotional data. We don’t need unemotional data. Data from the drones we don’t need, drones that fly from A to B, from B to C, we already know it, it’s pre-programmed. Any unemotional data such as from bank payments, we don’t need. It’s simply a payment. I pay for my electricity, I pay my taxes, it’s not emotional. Where do the largest emotions come from? Films, music, games! When you play games you experience many emotions; you win, you lose, lots of emotions. This is the most valuable data, the new oil!

Anndy: Fascinating. We would love to know more but time is short, so perhaps more on another occasion. To conclude with a couple of final questions, can you tell us a little bit about your involvement in the Bitcoin Association?

AS: I’m a founding partner of Bitcoin Association. It was built to propose to enterprise and to business the solutions which they need and I’m happy to be a part of the Bitcoin Association to look after entertainment and media, sport, these sectors.

Anndy: If you were making investments for your kids, or loved ones in the tech’ sector what kind of businesses and niches would you be focusing on?

AS: HappyTech. HappyTech, HappyTech, HappyTech. Any technology that makes you happy.

Anndy: I’ve never heard of that, technology that makes you happy.

AS: Well then your media will be the first to tell the news about this sector. Not only gaming and entertainment. I gave a TED talk on HappyTech 2 years ago in Hong Kong.

Anndy: Are you doing this for the love of it, or for the money?

AS: So I told you a little bit earlier, that I don’t believe in money. Soon, it will be the barter system, a better way to have a happy life. What does every parent want for their children? They want them to be happy. Not to be an economist, not to be vice chairman of the bank. When the baby is born, the parents say I wish for them to be happy. It doesn’t matter where you are, with whom you are, just to be happy. So happiness is the main thing in life. To live your life happy to reach the end of your life and to say I lived a happy life. That’s what I am doing it for.

Blockcast.cc: Hi, Alexander, with all the things that you are doing, do you have any spare time available and if so, do you have a favourite pastime or any hobbies?

AS: Jenny, I am happy that all my life what I am doing is my work. My work is my hobby, I don’t work, I live my life 24/7. I’ve been very lucky that all my life has not felt like work. It has never been that ‘I must do’, or ‘I have to do’. All my life, every single minute my work has been my life, my life has been my work and I’m very happy about that.

Blockcast.cc: To round up this interview, would you like to share a quote with our audience that has inspired you?

AS: I live with one quote that I love:

“IT WASN’T RAINING WHEN NOAH BUILT THE ARK.”

It inspires me, it motivates me to think what will happen next when there is no rain, maybe there will be rain. You need to see your future one step ahead, or ten steps ahead or 100 steps ahead.

Blockcast: Thank you for your time Alexander! It has been fascinating and much appreciated. We hope to be able to get together again in the near future, thank you once again! Thank you Anndy for facilitating too.

 

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Anndy Lian is an early blockchain adopter and experienced serial entrepreneur who is known for his work in the government sector. He is a best selling book author- “NFT: From Zero to Hero” and “Blockchain Revolution 2030”.

Currently, he is appointed as the Chief Digital Advisor at Mongolia Productivity Organization, championing national digitization. Prior to his current appointments, he was the Chairman of BigONE Exchange, a global top 30 ranked crypto spot exchange and was also the Advisory Board Member for Hyundai DAC, the blockchain arm of South Korea’s largest car manufacturer Hyundai Motor Group. Lian played a pivotal role as the Blockchain Advisor for Asian Productivity Organisation (APO), an intergovernmental organization committed to improving productivity in the Asia-Pacific region.

An avid supporter of incubating start-ups, Anndy has also been a private investor for the past eight years. With a growth investment mindset, Anndy strategically demonstrates this in the companies he chooses to be involved with. He believes that what he is doing through blockchain technology currently will revolutionise and redefine traditional businesses. He also believes that the blockchain industry has to be “redecentralised”.

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USA TODAY: Anndy Lian Interviews The Godfather of Blockchain Alexander Shulgin on Why he is Bullish on Blockchain & Gamification

USA TODAY: Anndy Lian Interviews The Godfather of Blockchain Alexander Shulgin on Why he is Bullish on Blockchain & Gamification

The exclusive Blockcast.cc interview segment speaks to selected blockchain leaders, experts and practitioners weekly. This round, Anndy Lian interviews Alexander Shulgin, a visionary venture capitalist and Advisor to Gaimin.io, about his views on gaming, blockchain technology and more.

Blockcast.cc: My name is Jenny Zheng, co-founder of Blockcast.cc. This week, we have the honour to invite Alexander Shulgin for our interview. He is a true visionary and have a good track record in venture capital. In order to facilitate this interview better, we have invited Anndy Lian, a futurist and book author of Blockchain Revolution 2030 to be here.

Anndy: Hi Alexander, let me say that it is a privilege for me to talk with you.

AS: It is a privilege for me also.

Anndy Lian: Thank you. Well, to begin with, many people say you are a visionary, and it is often stated that you have more than 15 years of investment and venture capital experience.

You are also often referred to as “a unique Russian composer who successfully combines creative work with business”. I believe that you currently manage GRUPPA KOMPANIY FAMILIA, which specializes in investment and venture capital in blockchain, media, publishing, and entertainment sectors. You are a founder of a worldwide consulting group, The 5 Continent Consulting Group specializing in the IT-sector, biotechnologies, digital healthcare and financial management and amongst other ventures you also founded Rasia Capital – an investment boutique focusing on Asia. I hear that you also personally invest in Blockchain infrastructure, esports and Mixed Reality.

Would you say that is a good summary of what keeps you busy at the moment?

AS: It is a very good summary Anndy, but it is not really enough, I have a lot of other activities that keep me busy. I still have more funds and of course you are right that I personally invest a lot in blockchain, in blockchain infrastructure, because I see this technology and it has a very strong and optimistic future.

Anndy: I agree with you that blockchain technology has a very bright future. That is the reason why I started advising governments on this technology. It has been fun and fruitful for me. Well since we are connected through the company Gaimin.io and Gaimin are focused on the Blockchain and the gaming industry, they must have sounded like a good fit when you first met them?

AS: Yes, very good. A perfect fit. My background is entertainment, and gaming has the largest growth in this sector. Gaming will be one of the main markets in the entertainment sector. They are like a bird’s wings, each complementing the other: Entertainment and the Blockchain. There is interdependence between them. When I met Gaimin, I thought that what we are doing is perfect synergy. And that is the reason why I have agreed to be Gaimin’s advisor.

Anndy: I did hear that the Gaimin team met you for the first time by flying out to Hong Kong in May last year and that your meeting continued on to the famous Employees Only club. What was your first impression of the guys?

AS: Time flies! It seems like I met the team not so long time ago but it is almost 18 months ago. It was a big pleasure to meet the guys, to see their young sparkling eyes, very passionate and passionate over the ideas. I felt like I had a rock and roll time.

Anndy: And so, you’ve known them for well over a year now. You’ve been watching them obviously and how they have developed, what has made you continue working with them compared to many projects that have, I am sure, been introduced to you?

AS: It’s a very good question, because when we met it was a very good time for decentralized based projects and then after the May saw a kind of crypto-winter and many of the projects, many of the teams were very disappointed, they were in despair, depressed and they were lost. Whereas this team were like a British soccer club start going faster, start going harder, they are moving through this crypto-winter, going through this, moving forward and they are brave, they are brave to go ahead, I like it, I like it. It doesn’t matter the age of the founders, 15 years old or 50 years old or 25. They must have the courage to see things through: a good finish is based on a good start. I feel that they have the ‘cojones’ for the fight.

Anndy: So how do you see this attitude will have an impact on the gaming world?

AS: It’s good because the gaming world, the gaming community is huge. Both professional gaming, and amateur gaming, the people who just have a passion for gaming, the gaming industry is growing. In the near future, I believe that everyone will somehow be involved in gaming and gamification of everything, so you can play a game and become part of the decentralized net and your computer and your gadget will become a part of this mesh, of this network. What is blockchain for me? For me it is the one and only infrastructure in the world that was built by us, by you by me by Gaimin, by everyone who is somehow involved, it’s built by us all. The infrastructure of blockchain is many times larger than Google, than Amazon, so this infrastructure is not built by governments, not by big transnational companies, it is built by us, simple humans and to be a part of the infrastructure built by humans and to be a part of this, gamers will be a big part of this of course.

Anndy: You are quoted in a recent interview as saying “Decentralized flow of data will be the next fuel to push lifestyle and industry to the next level.” What does that mean for the demands on processing power?

AS: The demand on processing power will be huge. I was just a keynote speaker in Riyadh, in Saudi at an investment forum with key global speakers, and the chairman of Samsung gave a slide presentation on how big the need for computing power would be over the next 15 years, it will be dramatic, simply dramatic. Few people in the world understand the future demand for computing power and electricity. A few months ago, I was speaking with Claudia Nemat, a member of the Deutsche Telekom Executive Board in Europe. We spoke about the European Union and our discussion centred around the fact that they have to understand how much requirement there will be for computing power and the demand there will be throughout Europe from the digital market. It’s a huge (level of) demand, let’s say 100 times more than now. I asked her where the EU will find the energy for this and she didn’t answer …… probably she was confused because it is a difficult question for the European Union. Because the demand for energy is huge, especially for green energy and there needs to be a solution. One of the solutions which Gaimin can offer to society is using passive gaming machines. Of course it’s not a total solution. Maybe it’s not enough for the whole industry but every single 1,000 of 1% will still matter. Every single penny is a part of the pound.

Anndy: How will the security of this data impact the requirements of companies in compliance and regulatory and will that be the same all over the world or be easier in some jurisdictions?

AS: Security of data is a big thing that is hype that people talk about but if people stop with ‘the talk’ and look at the blockchain more professionally they will see the millions of gadgets, the internet of things, it is unhackable, the blockchain infrastructure is unhackable, so all the data will be safe. You can also set your data settings. For me, I’m fine with my data, I have nothing to hide, I have nothing to keep a secret, ok maybe the passwords to my wallet as yet, but all my personal data, I’m fine with it. I’m open. Marshall McLuhan, a well-known Canadian philosopher said that with the global internet, we are like one global village. So it’s like ancient time in the village where we are all part of one big family, nothing to hide, no need to keep a secret. The big noise about data, well let’s look to the young generation who are the digital generation and even more so the generation after that, They can’t understand what data is private. They are open, they don’t have anything to hide. This is the open society.

Anndy: Because they know, the young people know that all the information is out there, so there is no need to hide it?

AS: Yes, and this is a healthy society. An open society, nothing to hide, a trusting society and technology with the blockchain helps make this more stable, this mood of the new generation. This decentralized generation where it will be possible to keep all this data private as much as anyone reasonable wants.

Anndy: Focusing back on energy, how does the need for clean, green energy impact on the all-embracing blockchain technology and can blockchain be de-leveraged from ecological issues?

AS: Of course. Of course! Blockchain will help a lot. Currently, there is some “noise” where a few people blame the blockchain miners. Yes, for example there are still some Chinese miners, or miners from Mongolia, even for example Kazakhstan using energy from coal, especially poor quality coal which makes a lot of pollution while burning. However, search out Google or Apple and look at how they are addressing this. Apple only a couple of months ago turned completely to green energy. Before it was using many different sources of energy. Google as I read try to be 100% green. Many technology companies do not use green energy but with the blockchain we are introducing more and more green energy, in fact all my companies, especially those that are mining are using hydra energy and the blockchain technology companies are moving towards renewable energy so that no extra energy is used and no energy is wasted and even all the heat generated or energy created is reused.

Anndy: Gaming and games has been a world very separated from the mainstream for the most part, to date, what changes can you foresee in your crystal ball?

AS: Ah yes, you are talking about gamification, correct? Yes, gamification will be everywhere. If you turn to the New Testament, Jesus told us that we have to “become like a child” ie be the child, to be like a child, what is the child, look for the child. Until they are 7 years old, they just play the game. It is so beautiful to be a child, to play the game. This perfect gift which is your life. My life is a gift, of course and I understand this and I value this gift of life. To be like a child to play the game. With the gamification of everything. To make education like a game because that is how children learn, they learn through games. Learning from stories and tales since tales are part of the game. Using your imagination is a game. To begin to imagine begins the game. In the first 6 days, when the creator created our universe, it was all part of the game. To be a creator, you have to have and use imagination and imagination is a part of gamification. Gamification is very important. We need to focus on education, health and entertainment especially with this next industrial revolution occurring. This next stage of evolution will give to us a more free life. We don’t need to survive to work 24/7, like they did 100 years ago, 200 years ago. 300 years ago people worked 7 days a week from sunrise to sunset, they had to work to survive. They had to find food, to source heat to survive and the last industrial revolution gave the people 5 working days in a week and 8 hours per day. This latest industrial revolution will introduce to 80% of the population, the concept that they don’t have to work, they can have a universal income, or any other passive income. Perhaps they play a game and by playing a game they produce data, providing them with bonuses, providing them with perhaps assets that they can exchange for other assets which they don’t need money. This typology will allow us to return to the barter style of life like an old, ancient village, which is perfect. You don’t need a 3rd party like money.

Anndy: It’s amazing what you are saying. The world becomes a global village and returns to bartering in a way made possible through gamification.

AS: Yes, people will be playing the game because playing the game will be the perfect time to produce the new oil, which will be data. The data, 85% of all global data which will enable smart cities, smart technology, decentralized energy, everything ….. 85% or more will come from entertainment. Because entertainment and games produce emotion. Emotion, this is the richest of all data, the most valuable data because all other data is unemotional data. We don’t need unemotional data. Data from the drones we don’t need, drones that fly from A to B, from B to C, we already know it, it’s pre-programmed. Any unemotional data such as from bank payments, we don’t need. It’s simply a payment. I pay for my electricity, I pay my taxes, it’s not emotional. Where do the largest emotions come from? Films, music, games! When you play games you experience many emotions; you win, you lose, lots of emotions. This is the most valuable data, the new oil!

Anndy: Fascinating. We would love to know more but time is short, so perhaps more on another occasion. To conclude with a couple of final questions, can you tell us a little bit about your involvement in the Bitcoin Association?

AS: I’m a founding partner of Bitcoin Association. It was built to propose to enterprise and to business the solutions which they need and I’m happy to be a part of the Bitcoin Association to look after entertainment and media, sport, these sectors.

Anndy: If you were making investments for your kids, or loved ones in the tech’ sector what kind of businesses and niches would you be focusing on?

AS: HappyTech. HappyTech, HappyTech, HappyTech. Any technology that makes you happy.

Anndy: I’ve never heard of that, technology that makes you happy.

AS: Well then your media will be the first to tell the news about this sector. Not only gaming and entertainment. I gave a TED talk on HappyTech 2 years ago in Hong Kong.

Anndy: Are you doing this for the love of it, or for the money?

AS: So I told you a little bit earlier, that I don’t believe in money. Soon, it will be the barter system, a better way to have a happy life. What does every parent want for their children? They want them to be happy. Not to be an economist, not to be vice chairman of the bank. When the baby is born, the parents say I wish for them to be happy. It doesn’t matter where you are, with whom you are, just to be happy. So happiness is the main thing in life. To live your life happy to reach the end of your life and to say I lived a happy life. That’s what I am doing it for.

Blockcast.cc: Hi, Alexander, with all the things that you are doing, do you have any spare time available and if so, do you have a favourite pastime or any hobbies?

AS: Jenny, I am happy that all my life what I am doing is my work. My work is my hobby, I don’t work, I live my life 24/7. I’ve been very lucky that all my life has not felt like work. It has never been that ‘I must do’, or ‘I have to do’. All my life, every single minute my work has been my life, my life has been my work and I’m very happy about that.

Blockcast.cc: To round up this interview, would you like to share a quote with our audience that has inspired you?

AS: I live with one quote that I love:

“IT WASN’T RAINING WHEN NOAH BUILT THE ARK.”

It inspires me, it motivates me to think what will happen next when there is no rain, maybe there will be rain. You need to see your future one step ahead, or ten steps ahead or 100 steps ahead.

Blockcast: Thank you for your time Alexander! It has been fascinating and much appreciated. We hope to be able to get together again in the near future, thank you once again! Thank you Anndy for facilitating too.

 

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USA Today:

Anndy Lian Interviews The Godfather of Blockchain Alexander Shulgin on ‘Why he is Bullish on Blockchain & Gamification

 

 

Anndy Lian is an early blockchain adopter and experienced serial entrepreneur who is known for his work in the government sector. He is a best selling book author- “NFT: From Zero to Hero” and “Blockchain Revolution 2030”.

Currently, he is appointed as the Chief Digital Advisor at Mongolia Productivity Organization, championing national digitization. Prior to his current appointments, he was the Chairman of BigONE Exchange, a global top 30 ranked crypto spot exchange and was also the Advisory Board Member for Hyundai DAC, the blockchain arm of South Korea’s largest car manufacturer Hyundai Motor Group. Lian played a pivotal role as the Blockchain Advisor for Asian Productivity Organisation (APO), an intergovernmental organization committed to improving productivity in the Asia-Pacific region.

An avid supporter of incubating start-ups, Anndy has also been a private investor for the past eight years. With a growth investment mindset, Anndy strategically demonstrates this in the companies he chooses to be involved with. He believes that what he is doing through blockchain technology currently will revolutionise and redefine traditional businesses. He also believes that the blockchain industry has to be “redecentralised”.

www.anndy.com
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